Rest easy, folks! We're venturing into the world of sleep optimization with former NFL athlete and co-founder of Dream Recovery, Todd Anderson. Here's a guy who understands the power of a good night's rest. From his days as a college football walk-on to his current role as a champion of sleep-focused wellness, Todd's journey is as inspiring as it is insightful.
We dive into the nitty-gritty of sleep and its impact on our lives, discussing how seemingly innocuous activities like screen time and alcohol consumption can throw our sleep patterns out of whack. Todd reveals the importance of a balanced REM and non-REM sleep cycle for sustained physical and mental regeneration. We delve into exactly how many hours of sleep our bodies need and talk about some fascinating sleep aids - think sleep masks, fitness & health wearables, blue light glasses, and even mouth taping!
Finally, we explore the pros and cons of other sleep aids like melatonin and THC. From tips on picking the perfect mattress to strategies for controlling technology's impact on our sleep, we leave no stone unturned. Don't snooze on this one - it's time to wake up to the importance of quality sleep.
Rest easy, folks! We're venturing into the world of sleep optimization with former NFL athlete and co-founder of Dream Recovery, Todd Anderson. Here's a guy who understands the power of a good night's rest. From his days as a college football walk-on to his current role as a champion of sleep-focused wellness, Todd's journey is as inspiring as it is insightful.
We dive into the nitty-gritty of sleep and its impact on our lives, discussing how seemingly innocuous activities like screen time and alcohol consumption can throw our sleep patterns out of whack. Todd reveals the importance of a balanced REM and non-REM sleep cycle for sustained physical and mental regeneration. We delve into exactly how many hours of sleep our bodies need and talk about some fascinating sleep aids - think sleep masks, fitness & health wearables, blue light glasses, and even mouth taping!
Finally, we explore the pros and cons of other sleep aids like melatonin and THC. From tips on picking the perfect mattress to strategies for controlling technology's impact on our sleep, we leave no stone unturned. Don't snooze on this one - it's time to wake up to the importance of quality sleep.
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Speaker 2:As you know, I've got a baby coming in a few weeks. Life has been crazy and I looked at my Woop group today and my sleep performance. I am last out of about 30 people, all right, so I am sleep deprived, been working a ton and no better person having the studio than our guest here. He is a former NFL athlete. He's also the co-founder of Dream Recovery, which is a company dedicated to helping athletes and high achievers sleep and recover at the highest level. He has worked with Fortune 500 companies, professional athletes across all sports and celebrities on optimizing their performance. He continues to produce educational content on all media platforms to educate people on sleep and its importance and positive impact on quality of life. Everybody the sleep pain. Give it up for Todd Anderson. Thanks for having me, man, I appreciate it. So you're the sleep guy, yeah.
Speaker 3:I make people sleep pretty much it.
Speaker 2:Awesome. How did you decide to dedicate your life to helping others and optimizing their sleep and performance?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So it kind of fell into a tight. Originally it was in the strength conditioning world as well as starting college. I walked out of Michigan State and figured out very quickly I was nowhere near the talent level I needed to be to play there and became quickly obsessed with human performance, like a lot of people do you know, working out and stuff. But as time went on and I learned more and I got to be around some really great doctors and specialists, I realized like if you really want to make an impact on somebody's life, you have to start with sleep Like one it'll have the greatest impact and two, it'll pay off for the rest of their life and just really allow them to achieve probably more than they ever would if they didn't focus on it.
Speaker 2:Right. So what do you say to those people who are just like I only need four hours of sleep, five hours of sleep? Is it somewhere it's like everybody's body is different? Or is there actual studies out there that are like, hey, you need to hit this many hours each night?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so just for reference, I get that all the time. A lot of times people say I only need six hours and I'm great, I'm good and just statistically so like if you're on 737, that's like a standard airplane. Statistically, on that entire flight only one person could function optimally off of six hours of sleep. So, yes, there's some people that only need that much sleep, but it's very, very far up to you between so like when people tell me that I'm like you must be very confident in your luck or just willing to roll the dice.
Speaker 1:Chances are.
Speaker 3:they're just like used to it, because you can be used to being chronically under slept, like you don't really have perspective. You know you've only been yourself, you've only slept with yourself. So if you wake up, functioning at a certain level for years like that's your new norm, whereas you don't really know how you can actually feel when you're sleeping, the right amount?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause I'll see videos on Instagram and it'll be like you know. There's obviously a lot of motivational speakers. Some are kind of just BS and some guys are like I get three and a half hours of sleep. That's all I need. Then I get up at 2 30 in the morning and I'm like that is six hour meditation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like that's also, you know, detrimental to the people that are watching and following them being like all right, well, this guy's doing it on three hours of sleep. Maybe I can too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of those guys are like, you know self-help business, you know entrepreneurs, and I'm like, okay, great, you're sleeping for three or four hours and you're building let's say this, I don't know a hundred million dollar business. But your quality of life by the time you're 50 years old is going to be brutal, right. Like when you look at like Alzheimer's, dementia, cognitive function, like what's the point of grinding it like that if you can't even enjoy it when you're older, right? So you got to think about you know it might be working for now but you're going to burn it both ends and like at what expense? Like it's going to catch up with you. Yeah, you know the studies and science is pretty clear, like you can't sustain that and eventually it's all going to come crumbling down. But the problem is I think people don't realize this it's not gradual like the effects of that. It kind of ramps up quickly, almost exponentially, kind of similar to like compound interest.
Speaker 3:So, once you really start feeling the residual effects of chronically undersleeping, like with neurodegenerative disease, when you have start having substantial symptoms, like you're far down the path, Like this has been building up for a long time. I think it's cool. Now, though, like people in their 20s, 25, 30 year olds are actually thinking about this stuff when, when I was growing up in college, like I mean, that wasn't even a thought process.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was just going to ask you. So you walked on to Michigan State to play football. Yeah, and you realized you needed to get any type of edge out there. Yeah, and you turned to sleeping. Yeah, college is tough to sleep?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Not the priority that's for sure, but it was.
Speaker 3:I think I mean I wasn't a crazy person, but I think you know, me and my roommate were both really dedicated and we kind of got our confidence from the weight room and being stronger and putting the work outside of the playing field. So you know, we were reading muscle and fitness and getting our hands on any studies that were out there which weren't that many about sleep at the time. But we were intentional in the fact of like we would never go out before a big workout, we would never, you know, drink before any morning practice or film or anything like that. Like we knew the impact, like we weren't really exactly sure, but we knew there was a big impact, and so the fact that we were unconscious of that, I think, was above the.
Speaker 2:Norman College? Absolutely, and so you walked on and then you got your chance to start and had a very successful career at Michigan State.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it was a grind, you know, like the first three years I got injured and it was just I thought it would never happen. I thought I was going to have to give up, but finally got healthy and, like with my dream, I down to Michigan State. I always wanted to play there as a kid Thought there was no possibility. I wasn't even in my realm of possibilities as a senior in high school and got the opportunity and it was literally a dream come true, like a storybook.
Speaker 2:That's impressive, yeah. And then got the shot and the big leagues.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not long. You know, by that time I was pretty banged up and actually failed a drug test, which is a while. That's how I, that's how it all ended. I took, you remember, oxy Elite Pro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I, we had a month off before camp. I woke up, was super tired and we had to drive to my buddy's lake house and there was some of my counter. I knew there was probably something in it. Took it to wake up halfway there and I fell calls drug tests right on the spot. They meet me there. You know, further down the season all the results comes out. It takes a long time and that was it.
Speaker 3:Man Got suspended for four games, which now, like they treat it like back then, any substance was treated like a performance enhancer. So four game suspension. Now it would have been like a warning because it was like over the counter stimulant. But the rules are different back then and but. But I had just met my wife and, like I said, I was pretty banged up, overachieved, I would say, for my ability level, and it just felt like it was time for the next chapter. I don't think I could have played more than a year or two just with my knee and my quad, and you know it's just right. And which team was that? With Other Rams, we were in St.
Speaker 2:Louis, though not the not the LA.
Speaker 3:The new fancy Rams like the old school blue collar Rams yeah.
Speaker 2:The Kurt Warner Rams yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, jeff Fisher was my coach. He was using an awesome guy, but it was definitely not the glist and glamor they have out at SoFi field or whatever it now, right, and so working with professional athletes their schedules are all over the place Tough.
Speaker 2:So when you have a professional athlete that comes to you or you go to them, what's the first thing you kind of recommend or want to see with them to help them out with their sleep?
Speaker 3:Honestly, awareness goes goes the longest way. A lot of times it's not even in their thought process, especially out of the season. I think in season it kind of naturally falls into place. But man, you'd be surprised how many guys that are performing at a super high level that coming home from practice playing video games still two in the morning, waking up at six, going to film and then just repeating that. So I think, like connecting sleep to what they're trying to do Like you want to be an all pro, you know, you want to be an all American, whatever it is, you want to, you know, win a gold medal really making them understand how much sleep is going to impact their performance.
Speaker 3:Like once you get that buy-in and the awareness, it usually goes the other direction where they're very motivated because they don't think that sleep is going to immediately impact the performance. But when you show them all the science and data, it's like there's nothing they want to do more. It's also enjoyable, like it's the one thing. It's like you know, working out is hard, eating healthy sucks, but who doesn't like to sleep? So if you're gonna pick your battle, it's like that's where you should start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I personally always feel like, if I can get in a good headspace and have the momentum with sleeping and really focus on it, I do feel so much better in the morning After a night where I've read a book, haven't looked at screens, and then I wake up feeling way more refreshed. Don't know if that's a placebo effect or me looking at my whoop. What prevents you from doing that consistently? That's a good question. Yeah, Sometimes I just think that I do so much during the day and do all this work and I finally just kind of wanna unwind and not really think. And I think sometimes I just turn to like Netflix or just to watch a show and just lay there until I fall asleep.
Speaker 3:Because you enjoy that time of not having to do anything. Yeah, so that's a big movement right now. It's like delayed bedtimes because people are so busy that that's the only time they happen themselves, exactly, which I understand that I mean it's hard. So for me, for example, I talk about sleep all the time, but I actually have a TV in my bedroom, which is a no-no. But me and my wife, like one thing that's like a non-negotiable, we would love watching one TV show in bed and that's like a very special time on pack, like you said, it's like time where everything kind of shuts off.
Speaker 3:So I think you do have to. You know you have to be a human being and your relationships and social connections are the most important thing for health and longevity, far more than sleep, nutrition, exercise, like. If you don't have people you care about in deep relationships, statistically your longevity, the chance, the lifespan you have, is gonna drop. So I think you have to keep in mind, like you can't be a robot, right. So when something is really important to you, I think you have to figure out how to keep that in there and adjust things and not, you know, delete all the things that you care about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great point, Cause when you go to the extreme, it's so much easier to fall off and then be hesitant to do that in the future. Yeah, when I'm, you know, laying in bed or on the couch at night watching TV, I do think it just lets my mind unravel and just relax, as opposed to I'm like I know if I read, I'm gonna fall asleep better, probably have deeper sleep, but I also feel like when I'm reading, I'm still like thinking of things throughout the day.
Speaker 3:I think WOOP is doing some really cool stuff with like. I think people think of sleep and awake is like a binary thing, like you're awake or you're asleep, but your stress levels throughout the day have a massive impact on how well you sleep. So it's not like there's these secret protocols where you can just like shut things off.
Speaker 3:Like, even if you feel like your mind is shutting off, you know if you're really stressed throughout the day, and now they have that monitor if you're really stressed throughout the day, it's gonna impact your sleep, and the more and more data we're getting, the more realizing like you have to have some stress management skills throughout the day, because it's nearly impossible just to turn things off and I think that'll be a big shift is almost, you know, looking at your day as 24 hours and not awake in a sleep.
Speaker 2:Right For those listening at home that aren't familiar with like a WOOP. Explain to them how something like WOOP works and helps you with the data.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I think the biggest thing with WOOP I mean WOOP is just you know device that measures a few biometrics resting heart rate, heart variability, and heart variability is just basically how regular your heart rate is or heartbeat is, and the more relaxed your nervous system is, the more irregular those spaces are in between the beats. Right, we want that, which seems counterintuitive, but it's a really great snapshot into how much you're able to recover, how primed your body is to perform, and you know how relaxed you're able to keep your mind in your physiological state. So, like putting a WOOP on, in general, people immediately usually have an increase in the amount they sleep and it's great for that, and it's great for tracking and tracking your bedtime and your wake time and long-term trends. I think the long-term the week, the monthly reports, the yearly reports are amazing. But I would say the negative is like you shouldn't wake up and look at a score on your phone and let that dictate how you feel. Yeah, right, like, and people do that.
Speaker 1:Like you wake up and it's 17, but you can feel great, yeah.
Speaker 3:But then you look at it and you're like, oh, never mind I don't feel great Right and then you start convincing yourself you don't feel great Right and vice versa. You can be a 98, you can feel bad. So even with a lot of athletes we work with, we actually now WOOP has a feature where you can turn off or you can't see the day-to-day recovery score, because the consistency in your bedtime and wake time and the long-term trends are so much more powerful and you really don't want that to dictate how you feel. Especially like if you have a competition, a big meeting, a job interview, the last thing you need is something telling you not to feel good Right, so like there's not a big benefit in the day-to-day. But I think when you look back, it's really powerful to see what different behaviors possibly impact the recovery scores.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause even the other day I had a super stressful day and I was getting to bed late. I had to wake up at like four in the morning. I just took off my WOOP. I was like I don't even want to know what my score is going to be in the morning, Cause I know it's going to affect me even greater. But it is interesting to look at those statistics. We have a group in our gym and we're always like, oh look what so-and-so got, or what this person do. Last night you see your HRV down super low. What's your average HRV?
Speaker 3:Mine's in the 60s. Okay, HRV is pretty personalized. You know you're resting heart rate, the better shape you get in the lower kids and it's pretty normalized Everybody you know has basically the same range, but HRV is like a pretty individualized number.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Like my wife, for example, is 185. Michael Phelps is around 230. So, yeah, so the higher you know cardiovascular output you have, usually the higher HRV. But I'm around 60, 65, you know bachelor party, I'm around 15 usually. But yeah, I've had a couple of 1% days. But yeah, it's crazy. I mean alcohol, for example, like it impacts it immensely. It's wild, I think. Usually, I think the first month people start wearing whoop, their alcohol consumption drops like 77% or something like that.
Speaker 2:Cause it will tank. Yeah, that's the main thing. Where people start with the whoop, they can see it's like a red number and even if you have one or two drinks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean even two drinks, like they've done studies, and you know they've done studies where two drinks will drop your REM sleep like 40%, Just two drinks. So you know, when you look at that, I think the biggest thing is being intentional with alcohol and little changes can make a big difference. You know, like I always tell people, let's say you're going to have two glasses of wine, right, If you have that right before bed or after dinner, that could drop your REM sleep 40, 30%. But if you have those glasses of wine while you're making dinner, let's say with your wife, you're going to give your body a little more time to process that alcohol and probably have, you know, much less of an impact, Whereas if you're not thinking about it, you have it, you know, after dinner, like you're having the same amount, probably enjoy it to the same level. Just a minor tweak that you know, over the course of a year can make a huge difference.
Speaker 2:So explain to everybody what REM sleep is and how important it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you kind of have two different types of sleep. You have your REM sleep and your non-REM sleep. So your REM sleep is where the majority of our dreams are. That really accounts for our mental stability, our mood consistency and basically like the mental aspect of sleep. And then you have your non-REM sleep, which is like the physical regeneration sleep, so muscles, tissue, you know, recovering from a workout, and that's where the deep sleep, like slow wave sleep, lies, that you'll see in like a whoop, for example, and that's the most restorative form of sleep for your body, your physical body. It's also the type of sleep that flushes out. You have this fluid in your brain, the cerebral spinal fluid, and it flushes all like the cellular toxin byproducts like beta amyloids, tau protein that are produced and that's what causes Alzheimer's dementia.
Speaker 3:So you can see like both very important right, you have, you know, your mental stability on one half and, taking care of your brain, you have your physical regeneration, so like it's more about we think about REM sleep and non-REM is like a band, where a band is great because they have good proportions of different instruments. So like REM sleep is like the drums and non-REM and your deep sleep is like the guitar and you can't make up for lack of drums with more guitar and vice versa. Right, you need that good proportion. So I think sometimes people get fixated on REM sleep and deep sleep and all these different stages. But it's more about you know, do you have the right proportions and is your body kind of flowing through these stages throughout the night and, you know, are those unfolding like they're supposed to?
Speaker 2:That's a fantastic analogy, Andrew. How much sleep do you get back there?
Speaker 1:I'm usually in bed by 10, 30, 11, up by six, 30.
Speaker 3:Like the, the, the pretty yeah. That's I mean. So seven is like the generally accepted you know in the medical world minimum amount of sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Every single night. So as soon as you say seven, people are like I'm gonna shoot for seven. They kind of miss the word minimum. Like that's the absolute minimum, yeah Right. So like that's not the goal, the goal most people need around. Well, there's some new studies that came out this year. Anywhere from like seven and a half to nine hours is really where the optimal amount lies.
Speaker 1:Dang. Yeah, yeah. This past weekend was daylight savings and I woke up on Sunday at like seven in the morning on a weekend. I would never do that and I was like dude, I feel fantastic.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say it felt great.
Speaker 1:probably Is this how is this how I could feel if I would just go to bed an hour earlier. Yes, the answer is yes, yeah, dang it.
Speaker 3:What's crazy is when we, when you spring forward that Monday, there's a 25% increase in cardiovascular events, and in all the hospitals, just from that one hour less of sleeping Really. There's a 50% increase in car accidents in major cities that Monday morning.
Speaker 1:Man, we should use those stats to not do daylight savings. They're working on it. They're trying to pass a bill.
Speaker 3:Oh, really, yeah, because it doesn't make sense. Now, Like you know, it was all about farming and crops and all that stuff, but I was just keeping it consistent because you have some states that don't do it, some states that do do it. But, yeah, a lot of things with sleep, it's like subconscious, it's like reaction time, your ability to read someone's facial expressions, your emotions, like stuff that's happening without you realizing it. It's not like, oh, I feel tired. It's like legitimate, you know, cognitive function, like it's not just the feeling of being sleepy, that's so impressive.
Speaker 1:I'm going to try and go to about a 930. Now that's going to be my new. That just feels so early 930?.
Speaker 3:Well, just. But don't think about it. Go to bed, Just think about the best thing you can do is create a continuum from your living space to your bedroom. So, starting at 630, for example, gradually turn the lights down. Maybe you have a warm tea, something like that. Do things to gradually taper off. Don't think of like I'm firing all cylinders in my living room. Lights are on, loud TVs blaring and then boom, hit my bedroom and try to fall asleep right away. You got to make it like a nice gradual taper and then usually fall asleep a lot faster and you're looking forward to going to bed because you're actually getting sleepy.
Speaker 1:Kind of sounds nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what time.
Speaker 1:Do you go to bed, Sean?
Speaker 2:It varies.
Speaker 1:You wake up at 3 in the morning. You're like Mark Wahlberg, so I'm sure you're better Mark Wahlberg, his is wild. He goes to bed at like 7. Yeah, what are you doing, dude? Your life is You're just like. There's no way. That's fun.
Speaker 3:You're like I've never seen you before. You're not even in the same day as everybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's a perfect segue, though what would be? Let's do final four segment, final four tips, the best tips you have to get a good night's sleep, okay.
Speaker 3:Number one is on a pedestal by itself, which is consistent bedtime and wake time, Like staying within 30 minutes seven days a week. That's the hard part. All right Weekend warriors. 30 minutes of your normal bedtime and wake time seven days of the week, your life will change.
Speaker 2:Your sleep will get exponentially better, because I've always heard that too, that it's more about consistency than the actual hours. But I think it also goes back to kind of like the band deal, where it's like you kind of need both to be in place.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so along with that. So the problem is is like so, as the night goes on, you get into more and more REM cycles. So the first half of the night you have more of that deep sleep. Second half you have more REM cycles. But what happens is because your body is so regular and that's why the consistency is so important. If you stay up late, you skip more of that non-REM deep sleep and get right into the REM cycles. But if you wake up early, your body does the opposite, where you don't get the REM cycles in the second half of the night, but you get more of that physical regeneration, non-rem sleep.
Speaker 3:So you can't cheat the system. It's not like you start off at stage one and flow through this sleep cycle progression. It's like whatever you're used to, you jump right into those cycles faster. And, like I said, you can't have more guitar or more drums like you have to have both and that's why there's no way to cheat the consistency.
Speaker 3:Number two would be, like I said, create a gradient from your living space to your bedroom as far as lights and just the psychological process of winding down throughout the night. So try to walk into your bedroom and mentally be turned on from the entire day and not start shutting down and then expect to fall asleep in 10 minutes. So kind of start that process early, I would say. Number three would be control the temperature your body has to cool down in order to fall asleep, especially getting to deep sleep, so like you have to be able to drop your core body temperature. So hot shower, hot tub, sauna is a great way to do that, and then just having the temperature in the room cool enough that your body is able to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hot shower is good to cool your body, yeah.
Speaker 3:So yeah, it's kind of like. I compare it to like working out. It's not even close to the same fizzy logical thing. But you know, when you work out your body is like, oh, I need to get stronger, I can't lift this. Let's build a muscle and let's take the stimulus and get used to it and get stronger so I can do it. Body is the same thing with heat. It's like I'm super hot, so overcompensates and actually cools you down faster because you're overheated and then you're able to actually drop your core body temperature more quickly in those early stages of sleep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so usually you can fall asleep faster and you get into that deep sleep much quicker. And then my third oh sorry, fourth tip would be just awareness of substances like alcohol, caffeine especially caffeine nicotine A lot of those things can affect sleep. Caffeine probably just buries people the most, right? Like you know, it stays in your system a long time. You know the half life is five to six hours. So like, just to like play out the average American's day. Let's say someone has three cups of coffee, so like 100 milligrams of caffeine. It's like a small coffee, super normal amount of coffee 300 milligrams. Let's say they have one at eight, 11 and one. Right, so your body doesn't metabolize it as fast as it rises in your system or you can absorb it. If you have one at eight, 11 and one, let's say you'll have like 270 milligrams in your system, like at 2 pm, which isn't that crazy, but at 11 pm you'll still have about, you know, 85 milligrams ish, which a.
Speaker 3:Red Bull has 80 milligrams. So that's only 300 milligrams of caffeine. Three cups of coffee, but the difference of just having some in the afternoon. Your body just doesn't have time to get it out of its system and then you're going to have a tough time going to bed.
Speaker 2:I feel like I must have caffeine in my system at all times because I drink a lot of caffeine. I'll have one coffee a day which is an iced Americano, and I'll have four, three or four shots of espresso. That's probably over 200 milligrams. Yeah, that's like 240, 250.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have one of those a day. What time do you?
Speaker 2:have that Once In the morning, it depends. It's probably mid-morning, and then I'll have a pre-workout, oh you're, which is 200 milligrams, usually like a. It's basically whatever. A company sends me something. So it's like Elanis Celsius and I'll have a ton of those in my fridge. I'll pop one 200 milligrams. I might do two of those a day.
Speaker 3:What time are you doing that at, oh?
Speaker 2:man Morning and then also five o'clock at night.
Speaker 3:I would be curious to see if you just did one in the morning. Right, it's going to be a little rough Just to see how you. I bet you sleep like a rock.
Speaker 2:I bet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because you're not used to it, I feel like. Also caffeine. People don't realize. If you ever go off of caffeine for a little bit and then take it, it feels great.
Speaker 2:Great, I've done that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I almost compare it to a play action pass in football, where it's like you run at every play. It's not going to work. But if you wait and you hold off a couple of days and then take it when you need it, it's a great tool. But when you just get used to it, you know how it is. If you actually think about it, when you're drinking that much, doing a lot, probably not, it's more of a mental thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's habit. I also just like grabbing a coffee, depending on the season right now it's fall. I still do iced and cold coffee all the time, but there's something about just sipping on a coffee.
Speaker 3:Even if you did Think about if you did two decaf shots of espresso and then two regular, it's not like you don't have to make these massive overhauls, but that over 300 days a year you don't have to make these. That's going to have a pretty good impact on your skin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like there's no way you would notice a difference between yeah, do you normally get four shots of espresso? Do you have decaf? I doubt you would notice a difference, no way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's weaning me off. You just need to like, someone needs to like, sneak in. Tell the barista not to tell you.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:I guarantee you'd have no idea.
Speaker 2:That's wild. Yeah, because I always wonder why people get decaf just for the taste, yeah.
Speaker 1:Does it taste the same? Yeah, yeah, definitely I don't know if I've ever had decaf coffee in my life.
Speaker 3:I get a decaf espresso after dinner. Sometimes I'm always like I know that this is just regular. They're definitely just saying they have decaf, that's the sound of it, I don't know. I don't trust this at all. But caffeine and alcohol is wild. So when you combine the two, the half-life of caffeine goes to about 12 hours. Really, Red Bull Vodka. But I'm always like do people drink in a Red Bull Vodka? Really care? That's the goal.
Speaker 1:That's the outcome they want.
Speaker 3:They don't. They're not thinking, but espresso martinis are very trendy and people don't realize. You really want to jack up your sleep and the espresso martini is the way to do it.
Speaker 2:That's got to be the trendiest drink in Nashville, tennessee. Oh yeah, espresso martinis. Every female in town knows a list of the top 10 bars and they're ranking their favorites and you see this all over the place. I got in a kick last year when I was drinking, Loved them. But then Red Bull Vodka is right. That's a wild drink. I haven't had those in years and I went on a bachelor party last year and my buddy Dusty McNabb he just comes to three of us. He's like here we go. I'm like is that a RBV? I haven't had that since college.
Speaker 2:I had one of those and then we just drank those the entire night. Yeah, you were probably just shaking the next morning One of the worst hangovers I've ever had.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of hangovers. Honestly, most hangovers are lack of sleep and not actually the hangover. Yeah, dehydration, though, too Definitely, if you have like six drinks, you're essentially getting almost no REM sleep.
Speaker 3:So, it's kind of a wash, you know. So, like when people are like oh song, or it's like no, you're probably just like your brain pretty much hasn't slept at all and you're trying to get rid of all this stuff. And dehydrated and you have, you know, 1200 milligrams of Red Bull Onion God. So, wow, bachelor party's bring the worst out. You know that could be a little niche, like some type of bachelor party sleep situation.
Speaker 1:How long does it take to recover from that? You go on a bachelor party. It's Thursday, friday, saturday.
Speaker 3:So that's a good question.
Speaker 3:So the problem with things like that is like what people do to overcome lack of sleep, and the best thing you can do when you don't have a good night's sleep is nothing Like you don't wanna try to take a nap, you don't wanna have extra caffeine, you just wanna power through it, because you really mess yourself up when you start doing things like nab or over-consume caffeine, because that's gonna cascade into the next day and the next day when you start impacting your sleep the next night.
Speaker 3:That's gonna be a multiple day effect. So what you wanna do is just kind of you know we always call it stick your face in the fan of football, like this is gonna hurt. Just stick your face in the fan, power through it and do nothing, because you'll get right back on track, whereas if you drink extra caffeine, take a nap, can't fall asleep that night. Now your next night is messed up and you're pushing your whole you know circadian rhythm balance out of whack and you might have two or three days where you can't get back in a rhythm. So it sucks.
Speaker 3:That makes a lot of sense it sucks, but it's the best way to do it.
Speaker 2:Because I even tell myself that too, I obviously will drink caffeine, but when it comes to a nap, I'm like I probably should just wait and fall asleep tonight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and naps can be good for people who are good nappers, but if it affects that night's sleep, it's not worth it. Like you know, there's some positive benefits, but not when it affects your major chunk of sleep.
Speaker 2:So is there a truth to naps being the best at 15 to 20 minutes in duration?
Speaker 3:You know there's different stuff out there and there's some different data. But you know I tend to have people shy away from it in general because not many people have enough consistent time to where they even know if they're gonna be able to fall asleep that night. So there's any question you're not gonna be able to sleep. I usually shy away. But you know your first REM cycle usually takes 90 minutes. So if you want like truly restorative sleep, like a restorative nap, you need probably 90 minutes. But yeah, there's some stuff that like a 20 minute nap can boost you a little bit cognitively, but I would probably venture to say it's psychological for the most part, are you a nap guy, andrew.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you?
Speaker 1:Like on a weekend. Yeah, I'll hit like a Saturday or like a Sunday nap while football's on.
Speaker 3:Yeah on the couch. I mean, do you drink a lot of caffeine in the week?
Speaker 1:I would say my window is, I have two cups of coffee, probably from like 8 AM to 9 30, and then I'm done.
Speaker 3:Oh, so that's solid. Yeah, you do that on the weekend too?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably until like noon on the weekend.
Speaker 3:Yeah, caffeine's really good at making you not feel tired more than actually giving you energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like Kay, what's your? What do you think about melatonin?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good question. So melatonin, I mean it's kind of wild in the United States. So melatonin is in almost every country in Europe a controlled substance. So you have to have a prescription to get melatonin, like you can't travel with it for the most part. And yeah, and the other thing is they did a couple studies on US based melatonin and the dosages when they analyzed it were anywhere from negative 85% of what was listed to 450% was listed.
Speaker 3:So you know our supplement regulation is almost nothing and so it's not something to like just casually, you know, throw in there. It's a hormone. It affects things beyond sleep and it's a system and you know the production process is a cycle that you want your body to naturally do Right. Anytime we're adding in hormones, it's usually not the best approach and it's usually not a good long-term solution. So, like a lot of clinical specialists, like they'll put people on melatonin, but it's only short term to combat an issue going on and they eventually taper them off.
Speaker 3:And the other thing I don't love about just sleep supplements in general is like everyone just wants to fix and it's not about like, is this gonna fix it, it's just the fact that you're relying on this thing to fix all these issues, when really like the issue is stress management, your routine, like all the boring stuff nobody wants to talk about and there's no way to cheat that system and you really have to do the hard stuff and the boring stuff and work on that. But everybody just wants a gummy or a pill or a drink.
Speaker 3:And that can work. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but add that in after you've addressed all this other stuff Like waking up and going to bed at the same time. Nobody thinks about that first, when that should be no doubt the first thing you even take a look at, like no wonder you're not sleeping. Well, if you're sleeping until one or 1pm on the weekend and waking up at 5am in the week Like you're gonna have a disastrous time and no drink is gonna help that. So I just think it's like the people want the easy way out and I have no problem with it once these other things have been explored. But usually you know if you implement half this stuff like people are sleeping great.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I feel like that's just our society in general Just look for the easy way out and looking for fat loss medication or a diet pill where they don't just actually try and do that and I get it who wouldn't want that Exactly?
Speaker 3:But it's just not something to just throw in there and not think about and take lightly. And I think if you have some really serious issues, like talk to a doc and work on the behaviors, and the behaviors also like, are gonna have such a bigger impact, like if you wanna really sleep well, like dial in the light, you know sleep masks are awesome. You know I mean I'm a big mouth taper, like that's our biggest product. But you know all these things you can do that are holistic, they're just gonna aid your body into doing what it naturally does, as opposed to, you know, adding extra stuff that's not naturally produced.
Speaker 2:Right, and I wanna get into the mouth tape in a minute here, but you mentioned gummies, so do you have any experience or studies showing that THC is effective?
Speaker 3:or you don't get this.
Speaker 3:Thc is trendy, but so THC will definitely help you fall asleep faster but it just tends to be a lighter, non-rem sleep.
Speaker 3:It kinda does a similar thing as alcohol where it affects the architecture of sleep and it doesn't allow you to get into those rem cycles as easily.
Speaker 3:And a lot of people who use THC they'll tell you like I don't dream when I smoke, right on dream when I use THC and that's because they're not in as much rem sleep and that's when we get majority of our dreams. So then a lot of times people who are chronic users and they come off of it, they have a really tough time because their dreams are so intense, because they've kind of deprived their brain of that rem sleep for a long time. So it can help you know it can help some people and it can help you fall asleep faster. Same with alcohol helps you fall asleep faster, but it's not good for the architecture your sleep and also, just like when they look at long-term brain scans and chronic THC use, it's not good, like it's, and people don't like to hear that but it's not good and there's tons of studies on that and there's really no debating that the chronic use is gonna have some bad long-term outcomes.
Speaker 2:Right, because anytime I've you know had THC before bed. I feel like I wake up groggy. I almost feel like I have like a little bit of a hangover, because I know my sleep wasn't as good yeah definitely, and most people are out.
Speaker 3:You know they fall asleep fast but in the state of your system a good amount of time Right. It's not processed very quickly, so it affects things for a substantial length.
Speaker 2:Now back to the mouth taping. Is this becoming a trendy thing? I've heard about this a couple of times now in the past month.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is. It's very trendy and it was life-changing for me. And so there's a book that came out by James Nester called Breathe. And sorry, breath, breathe I'm thinking of my head, so yeah. So the book was amazing and that kind of like started me down this path.
Speaker 3:And you know, the thing that's not debatable is just how impactful nasal breathing can be. You know, we're meant to breathe through our nose at a time of rest, so breathe through our nose, eat through our mouth. That's kind of the gist. And you know, in this day and age, a lot of people are breathing through their mouth and they sleep and not efficient breathers, and so that's kind of what it forces you to do. It forces you to breathe through your nose. You know your breath is a direct link to your nervous system, so it almost, you know, it's like bumpers in a bowling alley. It makes you regulate your nervous system and calm down before you go to bed. So that's one benefit. And the other thing, just creating that seal. You know our tongue has to create a seal from the top of our mouth in order to breathe efficiently through our nose. So when that doesn't happen, people start snoring, they have sleep apnea, they stop breathing, they have disturbances throughout the night and the mouth tape just ensures that that's not happening.
Speaker 2:Well, I want to try that. I'm just afraid that when I wake up, I'm not going to wake up because I can't breathe through. But the thing about this, it's the thing about this if you have your mouth shut and someone plug your nose you're instantly going to wake up, right, like it seems weird, but like your body responds almost immediately.
Speaker 3:But I actually so I started doing it two years ago. Massive difference in my sleep. I just like I only would wake up, like one time. I just feel like I was like sleeping so deep when I would do it. So we started doing recovery. We've sold much of mouth tape and I'm like I want to do a sleep study, the clinical sleep study with the tape and without the tape. So I did both Without the tape. I had 86 breathing disturbances throughout the night. I stopped breathing 86 times, diagnosed with mild sleep apnea. They recommended a CPAP. The whole thing had no idea.
Speaker 3:I slept well my whole life. Eight hours of sleep. I was speaking about sleep, talking to people about it all the time. I did the sleep study with the Maltape and I had eight the entire night, which is far less than the average. No clinical issues, everything was perfect. Way more REM sleep, way more deep sleep. So we're seeing this like time and time again.
Speaker 3:Like we have people my friend, rebecca Rouse, she's like a top 10 in the nation Olympic weightlifter and she is the most dialed in human being. Like everything is dedicated to her training doesn't drink, sleeps, you know as much as she can, super consistent, each perfect. She started mouth taping and her whoops scores were in the 90% of the first seven days Her slow wave, deep sleep increased like 25%. Like I was blown away because usually when you have somebody that's doing everything perfect, it doesn't really make a difference. And yeah, so some people just can't create that seal and it could be jaw structure, their teeth, whatever it may be. You know the actual. It could be psychological and just the way that their body has breathed over the years. But it's crazy some of the stories we get and how much, how much difference people feel.
Speaker 2:I want to try that out for sure.
Speaker 3:I just use duct tape or what Well that's. The thing is like some Amazon actually banned all mouth tape sales because they were using these like sketchy adhesives and most of them are from China and people are breaking out so they stopped all sales. So ours is like all organic. We use bamboo silk. We have like medical grade adhesive. We ship from the United States Like it's the best you can get because it's on your skin for eight hours. So you think about how particular people are lotion. Then you slap some random tape on your face for eight hours. It's like you should probably like think about what it is Now what about beds?
Speaker 2:How much of effect does an actual bed have? Does you want to go out and invest and put a ton of money into a nice bed, or does it even matter?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I think a bed is like one of the best investments you can make, because it's more of a comfort thing, like there hasn't been too much to show like this certain you know brand or mattress.
Speaker 3:The one thing I'll say, though, that's really impactful is some type of memory foam that you can't feel like your partner get up. Yeah, that that can be life changing, because you know people, a lot of people, have a hard time falling back asleep. You know they wake in the middle of the night, they start thinking about stuff and then they can't fall back asleep. So we're going to talk about, like give your brain the least amount of opportunities to take over. So if you're waking up on your own three times a night, but then your spouse is waking up three times, now you're waking up six times throughout the night and there's a much higher probability that you know you start thinking about something and can't fall back asleep. So so don't, Don't roll the dice more than you have to, basically. So I think that I don't. I think that's the the biggest you know, recommendation for a mattress I would make.
Speaker 3:But I, my mattress is insane. I work with a company called Bright. It's like B Y R T E. It's like an AI mattress. There's 45 air cylinders underneath on each side, so like when you roll it disperses all the force, like you don't have any pressure points, and then at night you can put on like thunder or meditation and it uses those chambers and creates like waves that match the meditation Well to help you fall asleep. It's insane. And then you can also set it so like if I need to get up at six and my wife is going to get up at seven, let's say it at five, forty five, who will gradually start those waves just on my side and then get bigger and bigger and I'll wake up and she won't even know. It's just here in alarm. There's no alarm clock, but you wake up like there's a really peaceful that's why it's pretty sick.
Speaker 2:There's got to be a 10,000. At least right around.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but there it's a really cool company. They're like the four seasons and like the Park Hyatt and some high end hotels.
Speaker 2:Nice Need to reach out to those guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to see studies on couples that sleep together in the same bed and then they have their separate bedroom.
Speaker 3:There's a lot. There's a lot of, there's a lot of couples that Are Making those arrangements. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't hate on that.
Speaker 3:I think it's kind of smart when you look at how important sleep, it's hard it's. This is a hard time because, like, when you look at how important sleep is, you can easily justify it. But then there is the part, like I said, like relationships are the most important thing. So if that, if it's strictly sleeping, there's something going on, I get it. But but I'm always like, ok, why can't you sleep in the same bed If it's snoring? Mouth tape almost instantly reduces snoring.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But also, snoring is not something to be ignored. Like if someone's snoring that is a symptom, that is dysfunction of your breathing pattern, like don't just be like, oh, I snore really bad, no big deal. Like you need to get that checked out. But when people can't sleep in the same bed, I always wonder, like why it is. So I tend to not recommend it because you know, I think it's if you can sleep in the same bed is a good thing and then address those issues.
Speaker 3:You know, don't just don't just. That seems like a quick fix most of the time, but if you have, you know, snoring or someone's waking up a lot, or they can't sleep, there's a lot of things you can do before that. I think that's kind of a last ditch effort.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Like you know, the buttery bros, the CrossFit guys. Maybe, they do. They like produce all the CrossFit movies like on Netflix and stuff like that. But they go to all these events and he started maltaping and I met his wife and she was like you saved our marriage. Like he snored so bad and now like it changed everything. So I think there's a lot of things you can do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need to start figuring out what to do with my dog, walter, because at first he was not allowed on the bed and then, you know, I caved in and he started hopping on the bed and he sleeps on the bed and he just moves around so much during the night and he's 80 pounds. Yeah, golden Retriever has so much fur and I'm like you can tell he's getting hot and uncomfortable. He just hops up, hops down, hops up, hops down. But that is definitely affecting my sleep. Do you have a memory foam bed? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's tough, because my dog sleeps in my bed too. Yeah, there's no way I could not have her sleep in my bed.
Speaker 1:I know it's not negotiable.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm like the biggest softy, so yeah that's hard.
Speaker 2:What do you recommend to those who get a poor night sleep and they have a workout that day and you just like, yeah, just power through it. Or are you one of those people that are like maybe you should take the day off if your sleep wasn't that good?
Speaker 3:I think it depends on the situation. Like a one off. If it was like something really bad, I'd probably tell them to take the day off. But I think the worst thing people can do when they have like a weight loss goal. I feel like most people have a weight loss goal, body count goal, and the first thing they want to do is be like I'm going to wake up earlier and work out in the morning. Right, and a lot of people hate working out in the morning.
Speaker 3:But if it's cutting into your sleep like if you go from seven hours to six hours you're not going to have a tougher time making nutritional choices. You're not going to be as motivated. You're not going to be as motivated to work out. You're actually like you crave alcohol slightly more when you're under slept, like all these things you want. So baths and sodiums, and you kind of, you know, create this friction for your goals. So I think if you're able to sleep the optimal amount and work out at different times or whatever is convenient, but making sure like that is always the foundation of your health, that weight loss training is going to be so much easier. You got to like grease the skids a little bit. I think that's what like sleep does, is it really sets you up for sustained success, as opposed to like when you implement these really hard behaviors like waking up super early and doing cardio, whatever people are doing, Like you can only fight your physiology for so long, and I think that's when people kind of fall apart.
Speaker 2:Right and I feel like obviously, the better sleep you get, the more productive you have, definitely, and you don't have to work as much if you're more productive in those hours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they've done like, even studies with different workforces and people who work 55 hours compared to 40 hours, when they're sleeping better and they're working 15 more hours, but the total body of work in the 40 hours is greater because they're so much more efficient and they're able to function at a high cognitive level. So even though it seems like you're working more, doesn't mean you're working better, right, and it's also crazy like, with the same similar study, they did a study on CEOs and the safety and trust employees felt and there was a direct correlation of the amount, the direct correlation between the number of hours the CEO got and the safety the employees felt Really, which is wild.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 3:But when you think about that REM sleep affecting your emotional regulation and how that impacts an organization and the CEO, it makes sense that if you're consistently sleeping in the right amount, you're going to omit this powerful, consistent, compass-like feeling to the organization.
Speaker 2:That's impressive, that's wild. Yeah. Now what about planes? Sleeping on planes? What tips and tricks?
Speaker 3:you have for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean that's tough, that's a tough one. I mean, sleep masks are a game changer on a plane.
Speaker 2:I mean I feel like yeah, you said you use one every night at sleep masks. Yeah, every night.
Speaker 3:We make sleep masks, like Art Dream Recovery does. I wasn't a sleep mask guy for a while. They're kind of positioned as this luxury beauty product. But, man, when you start using them, it's more about you committing to go into bed. Nowadays, people on their phone, snapchat, instagram, whatever it may be there's never a moment where you're like, okay, it's time to shut down, and your body creates this subconscious attachment to that process and you'd be amazed at how fast you fall asleep once you get used to it. Now, sleep mask, it is a little tough to get used to because it's weird it's on your face Like you're not used to it.
Speaker 3:It's a little uncomfortable the first couple of days, but give it a week, make sure you get a really comfortable one and you'd be shocked at how much faster you fall asleep. And I think a lot of people don't try it because it is weird the first couple of nights and it just seems like something that's high maintenance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, geez, like you need to sleep mask.
Speaker 3:But some of the athletes you work with. I mean they see crazy changes because, like I said, they are on their phone and they just sit there until you're like get tired and pass out, basically. But when you're on your phone, like stimulating your brain with these bright lights and stuff, you're not going to get tired. It's going to take a long time. When they have that commitment and they create a habit, and it's like lights out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, getting to the phone and the blue light, is there any benefit to having those blue light glasses?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it can definitely ramp up, like your melatonin production. And the other thing with blue light it's not just like is it my screen on or off, or like is it TV on or off, it's like how much so even an hour has a much less significant impact than two hours. So I think it's those little changes. So if you go from an hour with the TV on, then you throw the glasses on for an hour Like that can really help you calm down and that can produce more melatonin and help you ease in the bed. But the blue light glasses are obviously trendy, but I will say like my favorite ones are like the big, like massive. With the size it looks like you just had eye surgery because you can't like see anything. But you'd be shocked. Like throw those things on, they're like 10 bucks on Amazon, throw them on and see how sleepy you get within like 15 minutes. It's very relaxing to not have any blue light and it's surprising to people.
Speaker 2:Do you think that there's going to be an issue with our kids now and the younger generation, where they are attached to their phones at all hours of the day, from sun up to sun down, with the sleep levels and sleep quality?
Speaker 3:I think we're at the pinnacle of sleep issues right now.
Speaker 3:Like I think this will be the peak because, yes, there's more screens ever before, more stimulation, but there's also never been the attention on sleep like there is right now. Like, if you look at Huberman's podcast five years ago, the stuff he's talked about, people would be like I'm not listening to that Three hours on neuroplasticities. But people are like really into it. They're starting to buy into the fact that, like this is one of the pillars of health and they understand that there's an issue with that connectivity to technology. So I think, from this point forward, like I think people will start raising kids with that in mind and really try to implement some of these behaviors and set them up for a good long-term relationship with sleep and with those devices and figure out how to navigate that. I also think too, I think some of the companies like Metta and Google and stuff, they recognize that we're really attached to all our devices and I think they're trying to come up with different form factors to eliminate some of that stuff, like the glasses and more organic type technology.
Speaker 2:Right, and I bet you, after this, we'll see these glasses.
Speaker 3:ads pop up all over our phones. They're probably already up right now. First thing I get on is going to be red light, blue light, black glasses.
Speaker 2:Is there true to you know, if you wake up and you go right to your phone, it diminishes some of that quality sleep that you've had, Because I've been told that you should wait at least like an hour to go on to your phone, because if you go right into the blue light you go right into scrolling. It's doing something with your brain that is actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, so like I mean, you want a lot of blue light when you wake up, ideally natural blue light, you know, from the sunlight and that kind of like sets this, it sets your circadian rhythm. It's like a ticking clock and that clock starts with like the first stimulation of light. So it's not like you know it's only an evening thing. Like it really does start ticking, you know, from the moment you wake up. So I haven't seen anything particular. I know there's a lot of psychological stuff and the stressors and like the reactions to being on your phone. But yeah, if you can avoid it for like an hour and get some natural sunlight, you know it's a lot better place. And people don't realize too. Like that's just not about waking up, that is literally about setting up that perfect rhythm for the evening and night coming up and it does have an impact on the following night. It's not just like in that moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because I've heard you were been talking about that too how important it is to get outside and it's just going a quick walk and to see the sun rising. Yeah, that's tough for me. When I wake up at four, 10 in the morning, the sun still light up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of those lights too. They'll still like those sun lamps and stuff. But one, a lot of them are crazy expensive, and two, it's just you know, the amount of energy that comes off of the sun is outrageous. So they don't. They don't really work like the sun does. So where is like six Celsius, and you'll be outside though, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll take that. Where are you spending most of your time and energy right now?
Speaker 3:Your career I mean dream recovery is definitely the majority of my time and traveling a lot. So we still work with I mean, I have a company called Synergy Dry Land and we still work on the strength conditioning side and sleep and performance side with a lot of like high level swim teams. There's been a lot of travel but yeah, I mean we got a lot of new products for we're developing and it's been, it's been super fun. Just to it's fun, because it's like, yes, this is the business, but like we're helping a lot of people and like that's a rare opportunity to have that balance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like what you do, that's a win-win.
Speaker 3:It's like you know, obviously there's stressful moments and things go wrong, but like when you get that feedback and somebody has a life changing experience, like yeah that's why you do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's nothing better than that. If you enjoy doing it, I mean, you can't ask for anything better than that. Yeah, last question I have, we'll wrap things up what about sleep recommendations for babies? Kids?
Speaker 3:To be fully transparent. To be fully transparent Like this is probably the thing I spent the least of my time on, because I don't have a kid yet.
Speaker 3:We're working on it, mom, if you're out there working on it, got it noted, but you know, I think I think for parents the focus has to be on quality right. So when you have the opportunity to sleep, controlling every variable, you can like the light and the sound. Your plugs can be really useful. Sound movement like every single like, check every single box, because you know it's going to be out of control. The amount of quantity you can get, it'll be controlled. The quality Right. And it becomes almost even more important because you're going to be running on E most of the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just got it's called a SNU a bassinet. We just got it shipped to the house last night. It's next to the bed. We set it up and it's, I guess, one of the best bassinets you can have. And it is attached to your phone where you can set it on different types of modes and I don't know.
Speaker 3:The baby world is wild. I mean I yeah, like I said, we're fine, so I don't know all this stuff, but just like dipping my toe in some of this stuff, I'm like it's wild man. And there's also like trendy stuff. Isn't that like different? Like trendy strollers that are like cool man?
Speaker 2:The stroller game is like oh, does anybody care about?
Speaker 1:that Apparently, it's a thing yeah.
Speaker 2:I went stroller shopping. I thought I was at like a car dealership. Yeah, I think they have all different types of attachments or basically like big transformers that you take together, put apart, you can use a carry on. You can just use it as a car seat Traveling makes me nervous.
Speaker 3:Like I see people traveling with, with kids, like babies, I'm just like that just seems stressful. Yeah Well, how much does a, how much does a stroller cost? I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Well, this cost can cost like a couple grand. Yeah, I thought they were like.
Speaker 1:I thought they were like 45 bucks at at higher.
Speaker 2:Hey, chump, change compared to your bed. Yeah, true.
Speaker 3:I'm going to look for a stroller partnership soon, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, we appreciate you coming on Todd and working. Everybody find you all social media stuff. Yeah, all social media is.
Speaker 3:Todd Anderson yeah. Come on Instagram the most and anybody has any sleep questions. I'd love to help people out. Just shoot me a DM. I try to get to as many as I can, but I really do enjoy helping people, so Awesome.
Speaker 2:Fire away. Well, if you guys are listening to this at the nighttime, turn this phone off, go to bed and we appreciate you guys tuning in Everybody. Todd Anderson Thanks, man, appreciate it, you guys are awesome. Thanks, all right, I'll see you guys next time. Bye, bye, bye, bye.