In The Booth with Shawn Booth
You may know Shawn Booth from The Bachelorette, you may know him as a fitness guy who owns a gym in Nashville, or you may just know his dog, Walter.
Tune in as Shawn sits down with people from all walks of life: artists, athletes, entrepreneurs, military personnel, badass moms, fitness professionals, and everything in between. You'll hear motivational stories, healthy habits that lead to success, relationship tips, and more.
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In The Booth with Shawn Booth
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Join us for a fun and engaging episode as we cover a range of topics, but things take a more introspective turn when FancyCat (and her gold studded Starbucks tumbler) asks Shawn about his life regrets. Tune in for an insightful and thought-provoking conversation!
We are back in the booth and I'm Sean Booth and thank you guys for tuning in. Wherever you're listening from, maybe you are from Hopkinsville, kentucky, that's north of Tennessee. If you're looking at a map, or maybe you're from Lake Charles If you're looking at a map, or maybe you're from Lake Charles, louisiana, that would be south of Tennessee, I believe Sam Cat or Yakima Washington, all the way out on that west coast towards the north. We are here, we are live. We are in Nashville, tennessee. We got Easton in the building and to left we've got fancy cat. Fancy cat, bougie cat. She's sitting here sipping on her gold Starbucks mug. It's like the same size as a Stanley, very sparkly and, yeah, very fancy.
Speaker 3Welcome fancy cat thank you for having Such a pleasure to be here with my plastic, very mundane Starbucks tumbler. I bet that thing costs $40 at least. No, god, no, it was like $15.
Speaker 2Easton, we're going to put you to work right away. Can you pull up Starbucks' website right now? Probably $25. What ounce is that? This is a 24-ounce. Okay, probably $25.
Speaker 3Right now and probably 25. What ounce is that?
Speaker 2this is 24 ounce, okay, probably 25 bucks, I'm gonna say 40, 42. I bought it, so I know how much it costs, okay, all right.
Speaker 3So I'm so glad that you're gonna explain it to me, that's good um.
Speaker 1The first one that is available is on amazon. It's called a starbucks gold studded tumbler. 2022 Fall Winter Holiday Bling Edition, 24 ounce. On Amazon it's $69.99. Wow.
Speaker 3Yeah, I didn't buy it there, I bought it at Starbucks.
Speaker 2Quadruple the price yeah.
Speaker 3That's a rip-off. Don't get that. You could go to the store and get them. They have them in silver and they had green pink. I just like gold, baby yeah.
Speaker 2Well, you look great, your hair looks great today.
Speaker 3Are you being serious? I'm being serious. I like it. Oh, thank you. It's actually four days old and I was feeling the exact opposite.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was like, oh well, this is going to have to do for today. Couldn't bring myself to wash it.
Speaker 2Looks great.
Speaker 3Thank you. Yeah, I'm trying to just go for the more natural vibe, you know.
Speaker 2I like the natural vibe, I've realized. I like the curly hair too.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's here's. The thing, though, is that if I had curly hair, we'd be talking about something different, but I have some sort of like wavy curly. The problem is that I have absolutely no idea what it's going to do. It could be the best hair day of my life, or I could look like I stuck my finger in an electric socket.
Speaker 2Well, it's kind of like your life you have absolutely no clue what it's going to do or where it's going to go.
Speaker 3It's a pretty fun ride.
Speaker 2Yeah, what do you got in that cup?
Speaker 3Water.
Speaker 2All right, here we go, we are off.
Speaker 3Am I on the stand?
Speaker 2You're on the stand right now, had a fun golf tournament and what Folds of Honor with our buddy, chuck Wicks, and I don't know if you saw my story, but he was cheating out there on the course and he was. There's like a live scoreboard and Chuck is not the best golfer and so you can update your scores and all of a sudden, chuck Wicks, his team is at like 20 under through 14. I'm like Chuck. I know this isn't true, but it was for the Fools of Honor.
Speaker 3He cheated at a charity golf tournament.
Speaker 2Correct, yeah, that's good, that's a good Footfalls of Honor. So he cheated at a charity golf tournament. He cheated at a charity golf tournament correct there.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, that's good, that's a good look.
Speaker 2Yeah, he didn't end up winning, which is good, but I played in that tournament I don't know how many years now and it's impossible to win because I don't know if you've played in any golf tournaments which you haven't.
Speaker 3I have not no.
Speaker 2Yeah, is.
Speaker 3I have worked golf tournaments and I've worked those things because I used to be a BevCart girl. Okay. So I'm not completely unfamiliar, I've just never been an athlete.
Speaker 2Yeah, A scramble is. I've become a professional scramble golf player where you get a team of three people Okay, this one is four. So I was the quote unquote celebrity who joined the team. So every team's got a celebrity and I was with the Lucchese team which are fancy boots.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's a. That's a nice team to be on.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Did you get me any boots?
Speaker 2I didn't even get boots, I would have you know. I was yeah, I was hoping to get some, but I didn't get any. Lucchese, if you're listening, uh, I'll just keep wearing my Tacovas until then. Yeah, they said it wasn't a rival though I asked them.
Speaker 3I go, are takova's like your rival? And they said no. I mean, I feel like when you're a luke casey, you don't have a rival.
Speaker 2Yeah, luke casey they said takova has actually been good for them because it's brought more attention to the boot game oh, absolutely anything.
Speaker 3What is it? What's it saying? Iron sharpens, iron, yeah iron sharpens iron yeah yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2So, anyway, the sc. Uh. So the fun thing about it and that's why the tournaments are always set up this way you don't play your own ball the entire hole, which takes forever. So say me, you, easton, are on a team for a scramble. We would all drive the ball and then we would take the best drive and then we'd all hit that shot. Take that best shot makes it go a little quicker, quicker. You obviously score low, so it's just fun all the way around. But there's also, with charity events and these type of tournaments, they always do like crazy, like it's obviously to raise money, so it's like all right, if you pay, you know, five hundred dollars on this hole, then you can start on like five feet from the hole, or if you is that how chuck cheated?
Speaker 2that's how mostly everybody there it's like they always get like an insanely low number because they're the richest yes, it's like yeah hey, use the weapons that you got right right, that's the part I don't like.
Speaker 2I'm like I wish we could just like do charity separate and do like just the golf separate, because it's always rex ryan. Do Ryan? Do you know Rex Ryan? Yes, yeah, he wins every year and well yeah exactly. His house is literally on Governor's Club, and if you've never been to Governor's Club in Tennessee, I'm trying to get a job there actually are you? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3I have a lot of downtime coming up and I've been contemplating what I am going to do and I just feel like I have to do something, like I'm not, I don't know. It's like do I focus on something that will maybe help my career? Do I do something mindless, just to kind of like make money and keep a routine? And if you have any advice, let me know, but Governor's Club is something that came up.
Speaker 2I love it.
Speaker 3I mean, obviously they need bartenders and servers and BevGuard girls.
Speaker 2They do. Yeah, yeah, that's a good course. It's a nice little community.
Speaker 3But tell people who don't know what Governor's Club is.
Speaker 2I mean it's probably the nicest houses in.
Speaker 3Tennessee, for sure.
Speaker 2But who lives in there. There are a lot of country singers. Think got a big old house there. I know a few other people who do. You know who?
Speaker 3lives there. No, that's why I was asking you, I don't know yeah I've. I've only been there one time, yeah, and I didn't like participate in anything. I didn't go into any of the facilities.
Speaker 2I was genuinely asking you like I don't know much about I know what the governor's club is, but I don't know yeah, I mean, it's just outrageous mansions, that line, the course. So like you're playing down the fourth hole and it's just like on both sides of the fairway are just outrageous houses, so which I don't know if I'd like that. It depends where your house is located, because I mean, balls are going everywhere that's fair.
Speaker 3But what do you care? You have that much money, you'll just replace it yeah, of course you care, though it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2I mean, you got some little kids out there too yeah, that's fair. Safety, safety, yeah, first but anyways, we lost um scrambles the way to play and shut on your team like did you know?
Speaker 3just look at the employees. Yeah, okay yeah, so you mean to tell me that chuck was a celebrity for one team?
Speaker 2yeah, leading them to cheating yes oh, good job, proud of you so it's also like you know, guys from n sync backstreet boys, which apparently I didn't know this. This might be t. I'm gonna get chris kropatrick on here. There's a little beef between the NSYNC and Backstreet Boys, like legit.
Speaker 3I mean, I feel like this started around like 97.
Speaker 2No, I know, but there's a couple of guys who don't like each other.
Speaker 3I would imagine. I mean, how could you not think that they were like direct competitors?
Speaker 2Yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 3It was. You were either team NSYNC or you were team Backstreet Boy. Yeah, I don't know, you were not a small girl, teenage girl, during this time, like I was, but like that's the least surprising thing I've heard all day.
Speaker 2Of course they have beef. I mean no, not of course it's yeah.
Speaker 3I mean, course it's. Yeah, I mean, even years later too, you don't have beef with someone. That not necessarily that you wake up and you like actively, you know, act on it, but you don't get back to someone you're like fuck that guy yeah, I mean, I think it's just funny to see it in like real life.
Speaker 2Did you? Did you watch that documentary?
Speaker 3yeah, okay, what's the guy's name? Dirty pop yeah, what's his name. I cannot remember his name. It's escaping me, but yes.
Speaker 2But yes, is it Bruce or something Perlman?
Speaker 3What? Can you look it up? Dirty Pop on Netflix.
Speaker 2I think it's Perlman.
Speaker 3Yeah, that sounds familiar, but I got to be honest with you, I've been watching a lot of TV lately, so I think my brain is rotting a little bit, but Am I looking? The main guy, the guy that was in charge of like starting in sync and backstreet boy, and then he was caught in like a money laundering scandal yes, stealing their money.
The World of Money and Power
Speaker 3Lou perlman, lou perlman, okay lou, I wanted to call him gus. I don't know why gus and lou whatever backstreet boys and in sync left him quite early on like a lot of the documentary kind of follows after those boy bands were created with like 98 degrees and then a one direction wasn't, were they in there? I don't think so, like a slew of boy bands that I had never heard of, to be honest, but they apparently had very large, international, successful careers, so I don't know.
Speaker 3You should watch it, I mean I am a sucker for those kind of things. I love to see the behind the scenes of anything. But it wasn't as dark as some other documentaries that we've had pop out of the 90s, so but it's just. I I don't understand. Like anytime I watch a con artist or like a scheming that has to do with, like how they got away with millions of dollars. I'm like first of all, the balls on this guy. I feel guilty. If I like accidentally, I don't even know like don't return my grocery cart.
Speaker 3I can't imagine I know, Millions and you're just screwing people out of their money Like you. Obviously, when it's documentary style, you get to see and hear the people that are directly affected, so it makes it so much worse. But it's just like how are people managing to pull that off?
Speaker 2It's, but they, they apparently don't they do for a while but, like you know, when the highs are high they're high. Oh my God, it's like the lifestyle that they're living.
Speaker 3It's kind of like, okay, well, if you live fast, it's like you got more out of maybe 10 years and a lot of people get out of a lifetime.
Speaker 2So same thing with like Bernie Madoff.
Speaker 3Yes, that's insane as well. Insane, and then but all of these people are also part of it, like it's not just one person. It's one person who kind of starts the ball rolling, but think about all the people that have to either. I mean be lied to or turn a blind eye to, and I don't know. Money obviously does weird things to people.
Speaker 2It's money and power. When you're at the top like that, money talks.
Speaker 3I can't believe that it still happens. I mean, I know that sounds dumb to say, but it's just like we got cameras everywhere. Everything's traceable, all this stuff, and people are still trying to like rob banks I don't.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's probably not as common anymore, but unless you're just an idiot, unless you're just an idiot, which most of them are.
Speaker 3Yes, so but that's what I'm saying. Okay. So I guess what I'm saying is the comparison is like yeah, you're gonna try and rob a bank, you're an idiot. But people who like launder money and get away with it for decades and or you know whatever they're doing, illegal, that's they're not an idiot.
Speaker 2They're actually exceptionally smart because they're two steps ahead of everyone else would you launder money and if you had say you could get $50 million in the next couple of years and you could enjoy that for 20 years and then you get caught. So you get from now until 20 years.
Speaker 3Okay, so I'd be I don't know dude 54?.
Speaker 2But you have right now 20 years to enjoy the what I say 50 million dollars. I don't know. I think could you live a pretty good life for the next 20 years?
Speaker 3yeah, with 50 million like I'm out, I'll see you guys later yeah I think, especially because I don't have children, so I would just choose to ultimately not have children and just live an insane life. Probably wouldn't even make it the 20 years if I had $50 million to be honest, but yeah, I guess I'd consider it. All right, yeah, if that makes me a bad person, okay.
Speaker 2Because I think about that too. It's like so many people get caught and they're like older guys.
Speaker 3I'm like they did it.
Speaker 2They did it.
Speaker 3They already lived the fast life.
Speaker 2Yeah, and they got to be the guy for years, years. Weird. But then you talk about being the guy. It's like jeffrey epstein, who everybody apparently knew that everyone, everybody knew what he was doing, but it was just all powerful people so he had like so much blackmail dirt on everybody and so nobody would do anything, and people still don't do anything. I feel like it's like not at all. What happened to giselle or what's her?
Speaker 3name she's out, she's around.
Speaker 2Yeah, she's chilling and like whatever happened to that, she was her right hand man like setting everything up.
Speaker 3Yes, arguably I don't want to say like more powerful, but I feel like, especially in an environment that is catering towards young girls, probably way more influential, that I mean again power, because they talk about in the documentaries, how all the politicians both towards young girls, probably way more influential.
Speaker 2I mean again power, because they talk about in the documentaries how all the politicians both sides of the aisle, they were all like on the aisle.
Speaker 3Both sides of the aisle internationally.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Not even just America.
Speaker 2Yeah, like the Prince or King. What is it? Prince Charles, Prince Charles.
Speaker 3I mean his name has been thrown around. I feel like in every time Epstein's name has been brought up, and I mean all of the American politicians and also just pop culture icons yeah, weird, anybody with money. Money's bad, money's a bad thing. Do you think money changes people?
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 3Okay, so I think money just brings out who you are.
Speaker 2I saw. Well, it's funny to say, because I saw a tiktok yesterday or today dan brazilian right, he's the guy who is, has all this money, flies around in jets and lives this lavish lifestyle with 20 different girls all the time okay and he admitted he was talking about how he used to not have money and girls didn't want him and that's what he wanted.
Speaker 2And then he I think he and the crazy thing is he like inherited money from his family. Then he started playing poker and if you just look at his instagram, he's just known for literally the most outrageous videos, like he'll be sitting in a room smoking, drinking and there's like 20 naked chicks around him. But he had anyways. He had said that he wanted or. Everybody treats him different when he had money and when you can get girls. So I do think it changes you, but to your point.
Speaker 3Yeah, I, I do, I mean, do I mean, I guess?
Speaker 3yes, sure, it changes a bit of you, but I just feel like when you have money, you often don't hear the word no, and if you, are surrounded by yes, men, it's a slippery slope and I think that it's almost as if you're like just being unchaperoned, like now you are the one calling the shots and it's just like all of those decisions, like that decision power was inside you. Now you just have the freedom to do it. So I just feel like, because there's a lot of rich people out there who I'm sure good people not every rich person is a bad person so it's like no, I think those people were innately that and now it's just highlighted because they have access to everything yeah, yeah, because you look at probably the normal rich people.
Speaker 2They probably lived a normal life, worked hard and their upbringing or whatever. They just never really changed. And then you have people, yeah, who just take advantage of that power.
Speaker 3But I think also, the money is one thing, but I feel like some people crave fame or they crave attention, like this guy that you're talking about craves the attention of a woman, like I think it just depends on what is inside you.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3It just spills out when you all of a sudden have unlimited access. So that guy was insecure about women not being into him and now it's all his brand is. So, it's just like that was there, that was there the whole time.
Speaker 2And he you know um, like that's a video.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, that's what I picture.
Speaker 2Like everywhere he goes and I don't even know how these girls they're probably getting paid.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, he just pays them to go travel with them and have fun goes, and I don't even know how these girls, they're probably getting paid fat stacks yeah he just pays them to go travel with them and have fun I mean listen, what if they're having? What if that's the secret to life and we just don't know? It's just paying for camaraderie.
Speaker 1I don't know, yeah it doesn't look like they're having a bad time, I can tell you that.
Speaker 3No well, especially the girls. They probably just made like six new best friends and they made, however many thousands of dollars Right, he's probably buying them whatever purse they want, you know like.
Speaker 2Yeah, good for you, girl. Yeah, and then going back home.
Speaker 3To their husband, to their husband, and using that 100 grand, they just made for their children.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember there was actually a girl that, um she I don't know if she slid into my DMs this was years ago and I was talking to her for a little bit and then I she like mentioned something about that and I was like looking at her page and she was like saying that she was like one of his girlfriends or something.
Speaker 3How many are there?
Speaker 2And I know, and I was like, oh, all right, Well, this is uh cut it off right there.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean it was, it was uh was she still currently on the roster or was this I?
Speaker 2think she was still currently on the roster. Like she just started to hit like she was in a relationship, but to focus on her maybe to focus on her or to get married or to have kids or whatever, and I was like, yeah, this is kind of a little sticky situation here came out unscathed.
Speaker 3Proud of you yeah, thank you, sam cat unscathed you're welcome yeah, but I do think money changes people my uncle just turned 97, damn 97, my 97.
Speaker 2My grandma's 90s Got to be 90. Close to it.
Speaker 3My grandma just turned 89 yesterday.
Speaker 2Yeah, happy birthday. Yeah, she's still going strong.
Speaker 3Yeah, she lives with my parents. She has like a mother-in-law suite, so it's nice that when I go home I get to see her Just like right there, watching the game show network, drinking her coffee, hanging out with her dog.
Speaker 2You know what and you think about 99 so long. But then, in the grand scheme of life, once get deep, that is so short. There was a long time before you were born. There's going to be a long time after you die.
Speaker 3And it never stops. I have been down this rabbit hole since I mean, I just turned 34. And I obviously aging is a privilege. I know that that's like my. I love that I found my first gray hair and I was like kind of excited. I know that sounds weird, but I was just like I don't know. You hear about these things your whole life and now I'm finally doing it. But it's just I go oscillate back and forth, exactly like you're saying. I'm just like, oh my God, I'm 34. I feel like I should know more, I should be doing more, I should have a family, I should be living on a farm, like I don't know, I should have been doing all these things. But then I think like I'm only 34, in the same breath, in the same thought, and it's just a weird chapter to enter, because I feel like this is the first time.
Speaker 3Okay, your 20s, you think you're an adult, but like if you're in your twenties and you're listening, you're fine. Everybody's confused, everybody's figuring it out, everybody's moving at a different pace. I feel like it's so scattered. Things kind of start to maybe even out a bit in your early thirties, but even still, your early thirties is the first chapter where I feel like people expect you to know what's going on. So there's still a grace period, and now I feel like I've entered my mid thirties and it's like, all right, you should not that you should know what's going on, cause I feel like everybody doesn't know what's going on. But when I I hate when I'm in a situation and I look around and I'm the adult, and that happens more and more each year, and I just feel like, oh, I don't want to be the oldest one in the room, I don't want to be the one that's in charge, but like because you remember that person used to think they're old.
Speaker 3Yes. Yeah absolutely, and it's like I don't know, it's just a weird I just it's a weird time in life and I feel like millennials are really the first generation that has. I'm not saying they're the first generation to maybe delay getting married and having children. Maybe generations before us did it, but it wasn't as widely known.
Speaker 3We didn't have TikTok and Instagram and all these things that celebrate choosing to be childless or choosing to be single or choosing whatever you choose. So I feel like it's just a little more of like an open navigation, but it doesn't make it any less weird.
Speaker 2Right. Yeah, I think recently, in the last year or so, I've gotten to the point where I can recognize I'm not that young anymore, like what you said. You said I'm still kind of like you know, I feel like I got a lot of time left, but also at the same time, like you're still kind of going back and forth. I'm like, no, I'm, I'm on the, not the other side, but I don't, do you think you're midlife?
Speaker 3uh, according to uh, no no, I didn't say according to statistics. I said do you think you're midlife?
Speaker 2um, no, I hope not. Um, but if you want to go off the statistics, do you know what the average lifespan of a man is right now?
Reflections on Life and Regrets
Speaker 362 years old that would be really young. Well, I thought you were going to give me a shocking statistic. That's why.
Speaker 2Well, it is shocking to me 74.8. And 2022, the average life expectancy for men in the United States was 74.8. And 2022 the average life expectancy for men in the united states was 74.8, which is almost six years less than the average life expectancy for women, which is 80.2. All right, so 74.8 divided by two is 37.8. And I just turned 38. That's crazy. So I am statistically in a midlife crisis. So here we are. I decided to have a baby in a midlife crisis. Life expectancy in the US has been declining in recent years 2019, it was 78.8, 2020 was 77, 2021 was 73.2 and then it went up to 74.8. Wild, how is that number not up to? Well, of course, I mean there's so many, but you would think, as time goes on and technology evolves, but also people get greedy and put weird shit in your food and everything else in the universe to make money. Yeah.
Speaker 2And medicine. It's like you can. You don't even know what to believe. You know like is there a cure for cancer? Do we believe that? How is there not? Is it due to pot?
Speaker 3I mean, let's get our tinfoil hats on, yeah but here's the thing is that healthy patients aren't paying patients oh, I know so I don't know. I always keep that in the back of my mind. I try not to be a conspiracy theorist. I it feels I mean I've talked about this before on here just like trying to switch daily products that I use to non-toxic and and also just eating whole foods. Now I was just reading something that you know they have to list the ingredients on the back of whatever you're eating and so they would hide things that are like bad for you under different, very confusing, almost like scientific names.
Speaker 3And so then people caught on to that. They started educating the public. Like hey, this word actually means oil. I don't know, you know what I mean. Like this means shards of glass. Like some of the stuff is so ridiculous that you're like there's no way this is in my food. And so people started to catch on to that. So now they have said they have changed said name, like whatever the chemical name is to something different, to confuse consumers.
Speaker 2Again for us to start all over and then kind of figure out what the ingredients are yeah, and then it's like also you got to look at other ingredients. That are the very tiny little words at the bottom, not on the main nutrition label it's exhausting.
Speaker 3sometimes I feel so overwhelming, though, like I try not to go down a rabbit hole on that, because I'm just like there's only so much I can control. I don't want to be, first of all, I don't want to be, the person that almost causes more harm, like the whole point of this is to do good, to like treat my body well, to live longer, like we're talking about. So I think if you go too far in one direction, though, then it's almost like counterproductive now I'm so stressed about ingredients and natural, clean, non-toxic that like I'm mentally deteriorating myself.
Speaker 3And then not only that, but then the people around you, you all you know that person, the person who's like a strict vegan or a person who's a strict something and like it has to be the only thing that's about that, like it becomes their whole persona. I don't want to be that girl. I just want to like live with my chickens on a farm and like dance out.
Speaker 2And sometimes that's the best way. Look at your grandmother. She wasn't a vegan. No, she wasn't staying away from having a good time.
Speaker 3I do love when they interview people like in nursing homes, or have made it say past a hundred.
Speaker 2What's the secret to life? They're always precious and they're like what's the secret to life? Secret to life, yeah, they're always precious and they're like what do you regret? Those are always sad.
Speaker 3I always feel like they say nothing. No, they're like I have no regrets. Isn't that the cliche answer?
Speaker 2Everybody has regrets.
Speaker 3What's your biggest regret, Sean?
Speaker 2Ooh, my biggest regret. Wow, that's deep.
Speaker 3Well, you brought it up. Everybody has regret. Open and honest in the booth with Sean Booth. What is your biggest?
Speaker 2regret, regret, damn. I don't know. That's a good one, I don't know.
Speaker 3That's a good one. I feel like every regret that I've had has ultimately worked out. So it's just I know that sounds cheesy, but I think that's just how life works is that one thing doesn't go away that you predicted, or maybe you did something that you regret and it's like yeah, but if that wouldn't happen, then this wouldn't happen, and it's like we've already moved't happen, then this wouldn't happen, and it's like we've already moved past it and great things have come from it.
Speaker 2So it's kind of hard to right pick a regret like that unless I mean, unless you've done something no, like anything that's been like dumb or stupid. It's like, oh, that's just life yeah everybody screws up. It's not like. I think about that every day like, oh my god I wish I didn't do that. I didn't do that.
Speaker 3Do you ever find yourself thinking like how could I have thought that way?
Speaker 2Yeah, For some stuff. I guess.
Speaker 2I mean, like I was trying to think of regret, like obviously I love being a father so much and I'm, like you know, after talking about the life expectancy of a man and me being midway there and being 38 and now just having a kid, do I regret not having kids earlier? And I'm like, no, I don't, because then I wouldn't have locks Right, and then also I don't know if I'd be as good of a father I think I would, but I don't know if I would maybe appreciate it as much as I do now, as maybe somebody who's younger and you know young twenties and they get married, have a baby, and it's just kind of like just happens, where I'm like you know, I was in a spot I'm like I don't know if I'm going to have kids. I always wanted to, but so that's when you know you say there's always kind of a solution to your regret.
Perspectives on Life and Parenthood
Speaker 3Yeah, I definitely, like actually almost verbatim had this conversation last night over dinner about being older, quote unquote older before finding a husband or before finding children. I think that, oh my God, can you hear my stomach right now? No, oh my God, sorry, ok, um, I think that since I have waited so long or maybe not on my own terms, but I will appreciate if it ever does come true and if it ever does happen, I will appreciate it so much more and so differently than I would have had it worked out when I was 24, 25, 27, 28, 30, 31.
Speaker 3You know, I think that I have a different perspective on relationships. I am a different person. I've had all this time to pretty much do exactly what I want live selfishly. So I feel like I will never if it ever does work out for me, I will never feel like man. I wish I would have been able to do that before kids yeah which I think is common.
Speaker 3I think it's like okay, but then you know, once the kids are out of the house, then then we'll do this type of thing, and I've just really been able to check a lot of boxes that maybe people who had families earlier haven't been able to now, granted, they've been able to check all of these boxes that I haven't been. So it is like a work of balance but, I think my mindset is so different and also just like emotional maturity.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 3And, just like you know, sometimes I think back to some things. I'm like, oh God, it makes me cringe. Of course, but it's also, just like I can't blame myself because I didn't know any better Right, but it is. It is weird to think like I mean, I don't know if you've seen the meme- that's just like no one on the planet I have less in common with than whoever was making my 2008 facebook statuses, and I feel that in my core I know.
Speaker 3Yes, of course, some things are the same yeah, I've always been, you know yeah the idea of what I am right but, like, the inner workings are much, much, much different, weird though you're like, who was that person?
Speaker 2like what was that person thinking? Because you were full-on, you thought that that was the right thing at the moment the actual fuck, samantha so there is like, obviously, you know it's like pick your poison. If, um, you get married and have a family at a younger age, then you have the argument that you are able to enjoy your later years of life. Sure, right. But then there's the argument it's like well, you can also enjoy your earlier years of being selfish right which is what the position I'm in.
Speaker 2I don't look at my life and being like I wish I'd done that.
Speaker 2It's like no, I've done so much yeah, I'm like content with that and having a kid now, where I'm able to be less selfish and it's a completely different mindset where I think, if I had a kid at 24, I am a person who has always been I want more, more, more, more, more, more success, more of this, more of that, more, more, more. But now it's just like. No, I want more for my son and that's the more. And how can I do that for him?
Speaker 3yeah, it's still motivation.
Speaker 2It's just for someone else yeah, which is uh a crazy weird feeling so how are you going?
Speaker 3I mean, I don't mean this to sound like how are you going to explain yourself, but, um, how are you going to explain your life? And I know and I hear your stomach, oh my goodness, I'm so sorry uh your stomach's trying to explain it for you yeah, but how are you going to explain, like reality tv and what that was? I mean, I think eventually, obviously, he'll grow into being an adult and get it, but I know that what is gonna?
Speaker 2happen as a child I know because I just like think about when is he gonna realize that his dad lived this crazy life and he's gonna have access to a million different articles and a lot that aren't true and gossip uh sites and it's like at the his fingertips. You can just google his dad's name and be like, oh shit yeah that's weird.
Speaker 2That's a weird feeling to sit with, because I'm also. You know. When you say, do you regret anything? You know I look at the bigger decisions in my life that I've made. You know I've gone back and forth with being on that show. I don't regret that. Do I regret proposing at the end of it?
Speaker 2in the moment, I didn't regret it yeah um, and that led me into a direction where I'm at now. So it's like, yeah, for a while I thought I regretted it, like I knew I probably shouldn't have proposed in the moment, went ahead and did it anyways. But a lot of good stuff came from that. So I probably would have had a completely different life if I didn't Like there are parts of that show where I thought about leaving, like whether there was three guys left, four or five, like that really thing about like packing up my bags and just going home, which then what would have happened with my life? Would I have just gone back to working for the insurance company?
Speaker 2I wouldn't, cause they fired me when I went on the show, but you know, I'd go back to work at a nine to five or, and it's just because I ended up, you know with Caitlin that you know I had all these other opportunities come.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 2And then what I've opened the gym and like so many different things, and then I would, I wouldn't have met dre there and wouldn't have logs and just I don't know the regret thing. I don't think I'll ever regret anything unless it's like something really bad that you could have had control over yes right and there's and there's not a lot. But there's learning opportunities for everything.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2And that's how you grow, you regret things. You're like, oh shit, I got to do that differently next time. But I don't know. Long answer short. The reality thing is going to be tough for Lox, but I'm going to be open and honest about it with him. I want to be able to talk with him more and communicate with him as much as possible about his feelings do you?
Speaker 3will you approach the subject or will you wait for him to come to you?
Speaker 2no, I'll approach it. I'll probably get ahead of that one like before he goes to school, I mean. But also I'm like in when he goes to school, and what? When do we think this will come about? Like 10 years from now, when he's 10?
Speaker 3I yeah, I have no idea how it will present itself, but I just feel like it will not even be from kids. Organically, it will be a kid's mom exactly says something they're like my mom said that your dad did that yeah, and locks is gonna be like what? Yeah, exactly he's like I promise my dad's not cool, like you know. Yeah, yeah, like any other oh, yeah, it's, it's weird.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't know. That's how I think it will happen too, my mom said that she met your dad better like yeah, it's that is a weird yeah, it's just like how like santa claus is found out between kids. My mom said that santa claus wasn't weird or real. Then they come home and like shit and in this instance he's gonna be like hey, my mom said that your dad was running butt naked down the fairway on live tv, or got really drunk on live tv, or you know it's gonna be like uh, yeah, or was sounds like him, but I'm not sure yeah, or it's like you know.
Speaker 2He was in a spot in the airport with this girl. Like weird stuff.
Speaker 3But then again, I feel like, will they even know that much? I feel like it will be very vague. So then Lox will be like my dad. What?
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm just hoping, like by the time that, like 10 years, like hopefully all that Google history is just deleted, right, that's how that works.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think it's just every decade. They delete all of the history.
Speaker 2Yeah, so we're good. I don't know how would you feel about that.
Speaker 3About what. Like if that was your, if you were in my situation, I mean, I feel like the same exact thing that you said I'd be super honest and answer any questions they had. I feel like I would get out ahead of it and let them know to an extent, though, because I feel like why rock the boat if it's not rocking type of thing? So like if, in 10 years from now, maybe it won't be relevant conversation or maybe nobody will realize that.
Speaker 3I don't know, but I feel like the pace that social media is going and has continued like that's just a naive thing to think. I think, if anything, everything will be even more accessible somehow in 10 years.
Speaker 2I know that's what I try and figure out too. Like my social media now, I love posting family things and videos and pictures of locks, and a large reason why I do that is so he can look back one day and be like that's cool.
Speaker 3It's like a baby book. It's like a baby book.
Speaker 2Yeah, but it's like you know, the other night was so special. Walking out on the soccer field for Nashville MLS team with him was so cool. He's never gonna remember it but he's gonna have really cool photos and videos. You know that so cool. He's never going to remember it, but he's going to have really cool photos and videos. Yeah.
Speaker 2You know that's cool. So things like that I want to save and I wonder if he's going to be able to scroll back in 10, 12 years from now. I mean, he could be listening to this podcast episode 10 years from now. He might be listening right now. What's up?
Speaker 3Lox, go and clean your room years from now, he might be listening right now what's up, go and clean your room like that's terrifying to think about.
Speaker 2How long are podcasts gonna be around? Is there gonna be spotify? Is there gonna be?
Speaker 3yeah all that stuff there's got to be a variation of it, but I think that things will change, just like they have over the last 10 years. But then again, I can't go down that wormhole because we've already questioned our existence and how long we're gonna live. Now we gotta question what's question? What's going to happen within those years?
Speaker 2But it's so weird, right? Because think about your parents. I can think of maybe like two or three photos that I've seen of my dad and my mom together when they were younger. That's it no videos, no podcast, no YouTube videos, no articles, nothing, no social media. They didn't have that. So we're kind of like the first generation to have to deal with that with our kids.
Speaker 3Yeah, I can't wait till the first generation of grandmas are just out there like rapping, ludicrous. It's just like what's up.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3I love that idea. We've never experienced that.
Speaker 2Yeah, so you don't have any regrets either, then we've never experienced that.
Speaker 3Yeah, so you don't have any regrets either, then no, my biggest regret until again the same thing. Like everything worked out so like why would I question it? But my biggest regret was not moving to nashville sooner you know, so you moved it.
Speaker 2But again, if you moved sooner, exactly I know.
Reflecting on Past Regrets and Growth
Speaker 3So it did all work out. Obviously I achieved or I have, I'm still achieving, I'm in the middle of doing, uh, things that I only dreamed about like 10 years ago. But I think my regret ties to the fact that I was waiting for a boy. Yeah, I was waiting for him. I was waiting for him to be ready. I was waiting. I just felt like I was there for I before I came to nashville out of college. I spent five years before I moved here and I would have liked it to have been like three. Now, in the grand scheme of life, did those two years really make or break me? No, because ultimately I made it work. But I do look back on that and I just I think that's why I'm so sensitive when it comes to dating now of feeling like someone's wasting my time Right, I'm like, which is hyper sensitive to that.
Speaker 3I'm like, hey, let me know, just let me know, it isn't going to work Big girl and like we got it, I got it I, and I think that also comes with, like the emotional maturity of it, right I? I understand that I'm not everybody's like cup of tea, but I feel like if you're wasting my time, I'm wasting your time. What are we accomplishing?
Speaker 3We're only doing a disservice Now don't swing too far in another direction. Sammy. How about you calm down and give them a chance, feel it out. Don't be so like almost anxious about it. I kind of get ahead of myself. So I feel like that's the only regret that I can come up with but, even still.
Speaker 3I don't really regret it, that's so cliche, but I think that, similarly to how I was saying that if I were to ever find a husband, my appreciation would be different, I think that since I feel like I hit my stride professionally I wouldn't even say later, because I don't think that people hit their stride professionally in their 20s very often but I just feel like I found a, an industry that really accepts me for who I am and I feel like I can thrive in a lot of different departments within it.
Speaker 3And that was not my first stop out of college trying to find jobs, like I felt like other people, even if they didn't get a job in their major, which nobody really does, that I just felt like everyone around me was really making strides in work and like enjoying what they were doing or getting promotions, making way more money than me, and I felt behind in that, where now I feel like, but if I wasn't ready, maybe I wouldn't have been at the right place at the right time, met the right people, said the right thing, proved myself the way I did because I wouldn't have been ready to yeah I wouldn't have known any better.
Speaker 3I would have been like too bubbly and looking for the party, not realizing that, like someone has to plan said party. You want to be that girl.
Speaker 2You want to be the girl that goes home, yeah I know, I don't know, it's weird, yeah it's like the butterfly effect.
Speaker 3You ever seen that movie, oh?
Speaker 2yeah, oh yeah, I do. There's part of me that regrets drinking so much. Yeah, yeah. But then also I'm like man. I had some really good times, but also and it's always something I struggled with because I'm I've always been kind of health conscious and like very much, uh you know, into my physical abilities and playing sports. So even though I'd party my ass off, I'd always like think in my head that I was working so hard that it would kind of. But also me and my buddies talk about now we're like man. Imagine if we didn't drink as much or smoke as much when we were in college and partied as much, like we just played soccer, worked out and partied.
Speaker 3But you didn't know any better you didn't.
Speaker 2But looking back, you like you had that short time of your life to be at like your peak physical ability yes, like, imagine, if you actually like dialed in your nutrition I would love to go back and be a junior olympic gymnast with a 34 year old brain yeah, exactly. So that's about everything like yeah about food nutrition.
Speaker 3I mean just everything I thought about calorie intake and all this shit makes me nauseous. Now, do I think that it was a collaborative effort between coaches and society and everyone? Yeah, yes, but like, can you imagine if you went back and you're a college athlete, but but with the brain you have now? Oh, I know, oh.
Entrepreneurial Ambitions and Personal Reflection
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, and it's-.
Speaker 3Even for just like a week.
Speaker 2Even things as far as like handling pressure. Yes, like I remember like in high school sports or college. It's like you would get nervous or you would think that if you fucked up here it was the end of the world.
Speaker 3It's like no, it's like the amount of pressure that I'd be able to handle now and not let it get to me. Yeah, it's so much more different. And pressure and also like uh, I mean, I know again it sounds cliche, but just like knowing yourself, like knowing how, what makes me feel better, what makes me feel worse, what makes me feel faster, quicker, whatever it may be. Yeah, I know those things so much better now than when I was in college yeah, of course that's so infuriating. I know they say like what is it?
Speaker 2yeah, you're so young your brain is so underdeveloped. So, yeah, I think drinking because that was like every weekend, sure, 20s, sure every weekend moving nashville, every weekend we're partying and that's. You know. I'm like damn, how much damage did I do to my body in that? And like, again, I've always been very conscious of it and I've always felt like I was better than most of my friends and was able to turn it off and then, you know, dial it in during the week. But I don't know, I'm like you know, I've been sober now for almost two years and that's one thing I don't regret you know I got it out of my quote unquote system, but that could be that would lean more towards regret is spending that much time drinking, even when I'm traveling, going to places and going to cool spots, and maybe not taking it all in as much. Yeah.
Speaker 2But then I'm like you know, you have great times.
Speaker 3Yes, it makes for a good story, good memories, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, that you remember.
Speaker 3Right, but I get that, yeah. Introspective today.
Speaker 2Very introspective.
Speaker 3What are you doing for Labor Day?
Speaker 2Just being a dad. Dre's out of town this weekend. She's on a bachelorette party and her mom's in town helping out. She's been here for a week or two, which is great, so just really watching locks it's like crunch time for the new gym right now. So we got a million things going on there and a couple celebrations parties this weekend. Yeah, a little bit everything. What about you?
Speaker 3I got a little bit of work and a lot of relaxation.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've kind of hinted towards uh, now that we're making it through august, I am, yeah, a little bit of everything. What about you? I got a little bit of work and a lot of relaxation. Yeah, I've kind of hinted towards. Now that we're making it through August, I am going to slow down a lot off the road, which I'm very excited for, but I'm also weirdly anxious about. Like I said, I'm trying to find a job or something to do in my free time, but just got one show quick one day.
Speaker 3And then I'm going to start because, also, I am a basic white girl. I know you make fun of me all the time, but I don't care because.
Speaker 2I love being basic.
Speaker 3Emphasis on the basic. I'm trying to be tender. No, I'm just kidding. And September means it's Gilmore Girls season, so I'm going to start that from episode one, season one. I love watching it in the fall, so I'm going to start that from episode one, season one. I love watching it in the fall Crisp air and nice pumpkin candles and baking and leaves and I just love it. I'm ready. It's going to probably be 99 degrees, so I'm going to just turn my AC down and keep the window shut.
Speaker 2Pretend yeah, it's supposed to be over 100 today. Do you ever think about just doing your own work? What?
Speaker 3do you mean?
Speaker 2Being an entrepreneur making your own business. What would I do? You tell me Exactly no.
Speaker 3I don't.
Speaker 2There's nothing. You see Like my brain's always like, ooh, I don't like. There's nothing you see when you're on the road or during your job where you're like I could maybe do that or do this. There's nothing you'd want to start If somebody gave you said hey, sam.
Speaker 3Kat, I got a million dollars for you to start your own business right now. No, nothing, not right now. Ask me in six years.
Speaker 2Why six years?
Speaker 3Because I have a five-year plan.
Speaker 2Oh, get out of here with a five-year plan.
Speaker 3Okay, I have a five-year outline of what I would like, the direction I would like to go, things that I would like to achieve.
Speaker 2Million dollars isn't available for you in five years. I got a million dollars right now. What do you want to start? There's nothing.
Speaker 3I want to build a home with chickens and a garden and be a homemaker.
Speaker 2But then you, you're not going to be making any money.
Speaker 3You asked me what I wanted to do with the million dollars to be an entrepreneur. A homemaker is an entrepreneur. Your home is your business I'd like to invest in that you're not bringing in income how many stay-at-home moms are bringing in income from their homes right now?
Speaker 2well, they have millions there's. There's a big piece of that that you're missing you asked me.
Speaker 3We're living in in la la land right now I'm I'm meeting you halfway, so you're saying I don't.
Speaker 2What I'm saying is nothing.
Speaker 3I would like to invest a million dollars in for my own business. I have nothing. I have no interest in being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2I have no, you're just saying that you had anxiety, like figuring out what you want to do and get it like no, no, I just, I really love a routine yeah even if it's the most chaotic routine you've ever seen.
Speaker 3I understand like. I love the. I love the balance of like I would never, well, never, say never but I would not enjoy a nine to five right now, this chapter in my life. I love that. My job is all over the place and I'm traveling the world. I'm seeing different people, I'm literally in a different state every day. But when I look at my calendar, I have a routine of how I'm going to kind of taper out my week to accommodate the extensive travel Coming up. I don't have the extensive travel, so when I'm off the road I don't have work, so when I'm at home I'm working on house projects, coming and doing this podcast with you, making sure that I'm seeing everyone's children, making sure that I'm seeing all of my friends, making sure that I'm working out, buying the right foods, like all those boring things and establishing some sort of a routine, and I'm not going to have the travel to build that routine around. So it's kind of like Ooh, there's a gap in my schedule. I should fill this.
Speaker 3That doesn't mean that I want to start my own freaking business. It's like a couple months in the holidays Like I could use some relaxation. I don't sleep much. All right, entrepreneur, I'm going to invest in my sleeping. That's what I'm gonna use your million dollars for, all right there we go. Sam cask gonna start do you think that everybody wants to be an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2no, I don't, I, I know that I, I just didn't. I was just questioning, if you did I have no interest in that I was having this conversation yesterday, where nashville is such an entrepreneur city. It's like people come here, start their own thing or try to make it and work for themselves, and it's got to be one of the biggest cities for doing that. So I was just curious if you've had any thoughts or had any ideas or something where you're like I want to do that If you saw a need for it.
Speaker 3I have an affinity to being number two. Okay, I would love to be the vice president of someone, like if I shared a vision with someone, whatever that may be. And that's the thing is that, like I don't have a specific goal, I don't have a specific dream. Like I want to be a gym owner, I don't know. Like I enjoy the media and the traveling and I love country music and I love Nashville and I love all of those things, but I'm open to a lot. But if I linked up with someone who had a dream and they're just like I need a right-hand man to help me with the logistics and the planning to make my dream come true, that's what I like. I don't know that I I thrive in like You're gonna be, like I thrive in helping other people, because that sounds douchey, but like I really do like helping other people, I like not being the one in charge, I like being the one. That's like helping the person in charge yeah, make the decisions.
Speaker 3Being that confidant was just like you know, we are in a tough space. What do you think I should do? That is something that would speak more to me leaps and bounds, more than being an entrepreneur myself.
Speaker 2All right. Well, there you have it.
Speaker 3Is that weird?
Speaker 2Nope, oh Is that weird Nope. Oh, okay, You're weird though.
Speaker 3Yeah, but I like that. Yeah, it's working well for me so far.
Speaker 2We think so we like it. Well, everybody stay weird out there. We appreciate you tuning in. You can find us anywhere you listen to podcasts on YouTube. We'll be back next week. Team on three.
